tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post5335216460303848581..comments2023-07-25T06:32:21.187-05:00Comments on Living With Lady Philosophy: On the Morality of Wearing MakeupSusanna Spencerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07914585040872714093noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-64574665041620188812019-05-30T01:51:37.484-05:002019-05-30T01:51:37.484-05:00I am thankful for this blog to gave me much knowle...I am thankful for this blog to gave me much knowledge regarding my area of work. I also want to make some addition on this platform which must be in knowledge of people who really in need. 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So perhaps the natural look is more accepted here.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13010874044488876260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-1502681665691116072016-07-04T23:17:24.624-05:002016-07-04T23:17:24.624-05:00I stopped wearing makeup when I was in college. I ...I stopped wearing makeup when I was in college. I found that natural color returned to my face and my skin complexion improved. Frequently people comment "wait, you're not wearing makeup?" So it's not a thomistic answer :) But one that I understand in terms of the conditions laid out. Societally, it's not very obvious. But I also live around a large number of Mennonites, who don't wear makeuo. So perhaps the natural look is more accepted here.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13010874044488876260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-32865736164143113132016-02-13T01:47:50.331-06:002016-02-13T01:47:50.331-06:00Thank you for the fantastic article. 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Why do we wear them? Yes, for support...but also for a certain image. It presents the womanly upper form a bit better than just letting them go free. Correct? We could go without a bra for the sake of "showing our true God-given form", but I don't know about you...I'd rather not.<br /><br />I have been blessed with semi-decent skin which means I have rarely have had pimples, etc. I wear a small amount of make-up and when I do it always makes me feel fresh faced and ready to be presentable to those around me. Yes, it boosts me confidence even (especially on the days I may have a pimple or bags under my eyes). <br /><br />Now, some people have to deal with horrible acne, scars from acne...etc. Is wearing foundation in order to cover up those immoral? I would argue no. Definitely not. <br /><br />When Jesus came among us he did not center his attention on the appearances of people; rather, on their hearts and actions. Am I right? I agree that some people do wear too much make-up that can come across as trampy and ridiculous. When I see that though, not once have I thought, "Oh, how immoral". Never. I always know there must be something deeper going on with them that makes them feel like they need to cover up...that I could never know by just looking at them.<br /><br />I could go on about different cultures using make-up for their own traditions etc, but I won't go on and one. <br /><br />Our hearts, word and actions are far more important than how we dress our face. <br /><br />That's my honest view. <br /><br />Cheers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741509366531467159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-86538403345491314072012-06-07T14:12:51.510-05:002012-06-07T14:12:51.510-05:00Uncle Steve: It really is what is in your heart th...Uncle Steve: It really is what is in your heart that matters, but the way you act externally affects your heart, and that is why it is important to examine our actions and why we perform them.<br /><br />I am not sure that I can consider the theologians I cited to be old men considering that they were not very old when they began studying and writing theology. Also, the positions they present are not "made up rules" but those that have been within the tradition of the Church. The Scriptures in the Old and New Testament find "paint" on faces and women "adorning" themselves to be suspect, and theologians as early as St. Augustine discouraged it. Further, St. Alphonsus de Ligouri in the 18th century (more modern than the other writers) represented St. Thomas' views in his own moral writings. If you would like me to share what he said I would be happy to. This is why I value their opinions. Christ gave us the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in preserving and interpreting his teachings at Pentecost. The Church named St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Francis de Sales and St. Alphonsus de Ligouri doctors of the Church which means that the Church holds the doctrine they taught to be of great importance to the whole Church, meaning from you and me to the highest learned cleric. So, in light of that, their moral judgements do have a higher standing than others because they have been endorsed by the Church who is guided by the Holy Spirit. And this is how the traditions of the Church are preserved and passed down to us, through people doing theology in the traditions that came before. That is how it works in theology, and it is similar to how it works in society. As Edmond Burke explains that tradition preserves the accumulated wisdom of the species so that individuals and small groups of people can look to tradition to know truth and how to live.Susanna Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914585040872714093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-32721568351790978502012-06-06T16:04:55.024-05:002012-06-06T16:04:55.024-05:00Claire sent me this post after we had a similar di...Claire sent me this post after we had a similar discussion, albeit with fewer citations.<br /><br />For me, make-up merely served as a way to present my best face to the world. Just as I wouldn't walk up to strangers and begin to share with them my flaws, I saw no reason for the world to see my facial imperfections either. While I certainly had vain attachments, (oh, did I love shoes), make-up was not among them.<br /><br />Strangely enough, though, as soon as my discernment began to get serious, make-up was out the door. No longer did it seem to make sense to put purple on my eyelids to highlight the green in my eyes or mascara on my lashes so that people knew they were there. While I do occasionally pull out some tinted moisturizer, largely because I already have it and it seems wasteful not to use it up, I rarely use anything that would alter how I look, regardless of how blotchy or broken out I happen to be on a given day.<br /><br />Would it be a sin to discern and wear make-up? Probably not, but given that many are trying to present their best faces so that a potential husband can see the beauty hidden beneath the blotchiness, wearing make-up while discerning doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. I made my decision to not wear make-up rather quickly almost entirely because it felt right, so I certainly don't consider myself an expert on the subject.<br /><br />Anyway, thought I'd add my own two cents from a somewhat different perspective.Annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-73062863238206105252012-06-02T22:38:30.388-05:002012-06-02T22:38:30.388-05:00It's not what on your face, it's what'...It's not what on your face, it's what's in your heart. If these old men cannot control their own urges, perhaps they should look in the mirror instead of blaming others and making up rules. Their moral judgments have no greater standing than any other child of God.Steve Hassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-45610274981703839892012-06-02T20:18:56.689-05:002012-06-02T20:18:56.689-05:00I am going to give a response to several of the ab...I am going to give a response to several of the above comments:<br /><br />Gregor: You have a good point. The face is a very important to respect, especially in the natural beauty and features that we each have. God made us all a certain way for a reason and when we adorn it or choose how much hair we want present (shaving for men is similar to women shaping eyebrows) should respect the face He created. I think that the value of the face in relation to the whole person is very important. Not as the beauty of the face telling us about the beauty of the person, but as the place where we communicate so many things and focus when we are in visual communication with another. <br /><br />Anonymous: I am happy to have given you something to think about. That was my goal. So many times we accept things as normal without thinking about them!<br /><br />Genevieve: You are right! It is largely based I motive as we find I a lot of human acts. Respecting our appearance is important in what we do and don't do and the Saints who discuss that have always held that opinion. I was talking to a Protestant friend about dressing according to one's state in life, and we realized that Cathiolicism does not look down on this and I think it is largely because we have vocations within the Church that choose the ugly clothes and lack of adornment as a sacrifice. <br /><br />Second Anonymous: I can see your point, but there are also lotions with SPF, so I don't think skin conditions at least in relation to the sun are a "reason" to wear makeup. I hope you did not take me to mean that all makeup wearing is sinful. I was simply trying to raise awareness of the fact that it could be, especially since a quick google search brought me no results except from a discussion forum that was largely divided.<br /><br />Also, another person asked me to comment about using makeup, skirts, heels, dresses, to combat the common tendency towards informality. I agree that there is a trend toward informality, though I have seen many girls in sweats, sloppy hair and a full face of makeup. This could be an instance of using makeup wrongly. I agree that dressing nicely is important, especially since it shows respect to our bodies which get so little respect in modern society. I also think that tasteful makeup that accentuates natural beauty and conceals real blemishes in a formal or professional situation are not wrong and could be a good thing if one has the right interior motives. And as for everyday life, it really depends on one's daily activities. I could see for some SAHMs that occassional makeup before going to the store or play group could help a lot with moral as long as she does not neglect her motherly duties to apply it.Susanna Spencerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07914585040872714093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-82784946989684778642012-06-02T09:07:02.662-05:002012-06-02T09:07:02.662-05:00Some people wear makeup to protect their skin from...Some people wear makeup to protect their skin from the sun (some makeup does have SPF in it). Not all reasons for wearing makeup are sinful, nor are they a result of vanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-60014201151440731192012-06-02T08:29:26.718-05:002012-06-02T08:29:26.718-05:00Very good explanation Genevieve. Particualrly li...Very good explanation Genevieve. Particualrly liked the last line. Reminded me of the case with NFP.Nicolenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-27339730417173985962012-06-02T00:52:01.742-05:002012-06-02T00:52:01.742-05:00interesting summary of the discussion. I think th...interesting summary of the discussion. I think that your point about inordinate attachment to adornment is something crucial. I don't know that we can make an objective statement about the morality of wearing makeup across the board, but more to the morals that underline the wearing of makeup. For example, for some people makeup is ESSENTIAL. They do not feel comfortable facing the world without it. Which makes makeup at least a crutch and possibly an idol. For others, not wearing makeup is a source of pride - or contrary-wise, connected to despair (along the lines of "I'm a lost cause"). So, here, as in so many cases, the sin, or lack thereof, is in attitudes rather than in the act.Genevievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11136609393330129614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-12648836108013580812012-06-01T18:10:28.797-05:002012-06-01T18:10:28.797-05:00Thanks for giving me an opportunity to think about...Thanks for giving me an opportunity to think about my own motivations for applying makeup. <br /><br />You pose the question: "If a woman does not wear makeup in the workplace is she seen as less?"<br /><br />I work as a teacher at a Catholic college prep school. I truly believe that people at work would see me as less competent if I did not dress and look like a certain way (this includes wearing make-up).<br /><br />Is that a good thing? Probably, not. Am I willing to break the trend and go to work "bare faced"? Probably, not.<br /><br />I hope that I can give a good example to my eyeliner crazy students about how to tastefully wear makeup. <br /><br />When it comes down to it though I like wearing makeup. If God calls me to abstain from Cover Girl in the pursuit of holiness, it would take a lot of conviction and a lot of grace to get me there. <br /><br />Lots to think about!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2216462056001391110.post-63696927864544887482012-06-01T17:01:58.647-05:002012-06-01T17:01:58.647-05:00It seems to me that there is a significant differe...It seems to me that there is a significant difference between the way that different sets of people wear makeup. Some choose to wear no makeup, others wear minimal makeup to - as you discussed - accentuate their natural beauty and minimize blemishes, while still others seem to wear so much makeup as to - again, as you discussed - hide their natural beauty and present an alternate face.<br /><br />This seems to bear a significant relationship to questions regarding facial hair (for men) and haircuts (for men and women). Should I, as a man, allow my facial hair to grow unbridled to 'accentuate my natural beauty?' Or, on the other hand, should I shave my face for the same purpose? How much time (and money) should I (or any man or woman) spend on caring for and cultivating my hair and the 'look' that I want to present?Gregorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00984899064827784972noreply@blogger.com